PC Mountain lion and direwolf are too OP

PoloPoPo said:
I have built my base in the snow biome, day 15 currently. This is the first time that I am not playing in the forest biome at an early stage and I have to say that the snow biome is much much much more difficult. Main reason are dire wolfs, bears and especially mountain lions. However, I would not say that they are too strong. Actually I have died 5 times already to different predators (usually I don't die a single time during a savegame) and I absolutely love the new feeling this biome gives me. Blunderbuss is useless against those animals if they can get you. Arrows are useless as well. You'd need about 20-30 hits to take down a mountain lion and even more for a bear. I have bought a pump shotgun only to defend against those animals and even with that (Q2) I got killed as I could not shoot fast enough before they killed me.

Just one solution when being on ground: Open your eyes and avoid any contact. As soon as you have got a bicycle you are at least save while travelling from A to B.
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Aaaaaand just died the sixth time to a predator. Passed a dire wolf, thought I could take some meat with me on my way back home but unfortunately one shot from my Q6 Blunderbuss and seven shots from my Q2 pump shotgun were not enough to take it out :(

Not complaining though, I play on difficulty "survivalist" and didn't like the game being too easy.

 
Brabbelbeest said:
I gave up on that game, I dies four times, all four times I was killed by mountainlions. I agree that the first time I agroed the lion myself. But the second time I got jumped from behind by one of the mountainlions, the time after that I ran away from a mountainlion just to run into another one and the last kill was by a mountainlion that broke into a house that I was clearing for a quest... 

Apparently that particular block of houses had a infestation of mountainlions, because around every couple of houses, there was a mountainlion roaming about. 

I wish the developers would scale the wildlife in the same manner as they do with zombies. The zombies grow tougher and more advanced the more days you play, why can't they do that with the natural predators too? Start out with dingo's, coyotes, foxes, etc. then go to wolves & zombie dogs, then go to bears, dire wolfs and mountainlions and end with zombie version of those last animals. 

That way you don't have to worry running into nearly unbeatable enemies when you are still running around with a wooden club and a bow with 19 stone arrows... Especially since some biotopes are literally crawling with those mobs. 

My second game ended with a dire wolf comming at me from nowhere when I was checking my locker. He basically was camping my spawning point, killing me each time I respawned. I managed to lure it away by trying to run as far as I could before he killed me (most of the time he dazed me, broke bones, gave a concussion or let me to bleed with the first hit). 

I don't mind a challege, but trying to dodge, circle and avoid these nearly impossible to beat animals all of the time when you are still lvl 3 is not my idea of a challenge, at that lvl coyotes are already tricky enough.
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Pro tip - stay out of the snow biome at lvl 3..... no more problems with mountain lions.

 
Been thinking about this for a few days, and I have to disagree with OP, and agree with the choice of having enemies you cannot and should not face right away.
My reasoning is simple. If not for mountain lions and dire wolves, all we would have left to fear are bears/zombie bears... and that's just not very fun.
 
I wish the other biomes had even more of a weather hazard, to really hit home that we need to be prepared before even stepping foot into these places. Likewise, there needs to be more of a reason to do so when the time comes. Gamestage increase will help a little, but at the same time, not really because a player could just avoid those biomes. I'm hoping legendary items are tied to biomes somehow. Nobody should be finding these in the forest. For as much as TFP has played with gating the player progression behind things, here's the one type of gating that would actually have some meaning and some fun factor. I would love to see some specialty craftables that require a piece from each biome.

 
Reckis said:
Hence, not natural in a post-apocalyptic game set in the slight future. Without some unnatural influence they wouldn't just suddenly spring back into existence.
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Actually, there are a number of groups out there trying to clone or recreate a number of extinct creatures. Just think of them as some groups project that they let loose once they realized that they were going to turn and didn't want them to starve.

 
LionsDen said:
Actually, there are a number of groups out there trying to clone or recreate a number of extinct creatures. Just think of them as some groups project that they let loose once they realized that they were going to turn and didn't want them to starve.
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Still, not natural. Who's to say those cloning them didn't screw something up during the process. Wild predators do not chew holes thru walls in an attempt to get at prey.

Like I said, I realize this is a game and it can be rationalized whatever way you choose. It is just one of my pet peeves.

 
Well your argument was that any wild animal trying to chew trough a wall is weird. A dire wolf was a wild animal. Wouldn´t behave different than those that are not extinct.

 
...in the meantime, our server is trying to make most enemies and animals tougher with a wider variety so we can suffer and die more.

 
Here's a good strategy for killing them without much danger, at least if you see them first. Place a wood frame on the ground and upgrade it twice. Then jump-place another on top of that and upgrade that twice too. Then you're standing on top of a two high platform. Agro the animal and then kill it at your leisure.

If you're jumped and have no guns to mow it down with quickly then look for a building to nerd pole up the side of. Jumping on the roof of a car can almost sometimes make them attack the side/trunk of it.... although sometimes they will run up the hood and you need to kill it before they make it explode so that should only be a very last resort. They also don't jump very well so you can sometimes use a picket fence to jump back and forth over which generally gives you enough time to reload a blunderbus while the animal tries to figure out how to get over it.

 
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Just made this account for this, and honestly all of you defending this incredibly OP enemy is laughable. It shouldn’t be able to outrun you, it definitely shouldn’t be able to tank starter weapons, and it definitely shouldn’t kill in 3 bites. So yes, fix this enemy.

 
Jonks said:
Just made this account for this, and honestly all of you defending this incredibly OP enemy is laughable. It shouldn’t be able to outrun you, it definitely shouldn’t be able to tank starter weapons, and it definitely shouldn’t kill in 3 bites. So yes, fix this enemy.
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Do you have any reasoning to back that up or should everything just be made according to your opinion?

No human can outrun a large, four-legged predator and the number of bites it takes to kill you is fairly irrelevant. The point here is that you shouldn't be fighting them with starter weapons, just as you shouldn't be seeking out and fighting zed hordes with starter weapons either.

Mod your game to suit your tastes or change up your playstyle to survive better.

It's a survival game, after all. A lot of things in it need fixing, but this isn't one of them.

 
Jonks said:
Just made this account for this, and honestly all of you defending this incredibly OP enemy is laughable. It shouldn’t be able to outrun you, it definitely shouldn’t be able to tank starter weapons, and it definitely shouldn’t kill in 3 bites. So yes, fix this enemy.
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I find it funny you created an account just to necro a thread.....

Turn on God mode, since you think you should be able to take down a mountain lion with just a club and stone arrows while getting attacked multiple times and survive

 
Who thinks any one of us could actually take out a mountain in melee combat? I don't see many hands being raised.

 
there are 2 things i learned about the snow biome in a19 so far... nothing there for me and the kitty cats will bite off the hand that feeds them. :)

as far as too op... nope they are not, the snow biome is not meant to be a warm walk in the park just as the desert is not easy neither and we all know that the wastelands is a no no for the new under geared characters. these areas are designed to be harsh for a reason (time will tell).

so if you are in any area that is not part of the forest biome and not getting geared up.. you are treading out on thin ice on your own. enjoy and live long (if you can).

 
LMAO just shoot them. highground beats all

unholyjoe said:
there are 2 things i learned about the snow biome in a19 so far... nothing there for me and the kitty cats will bite off the hand that feeds them. :)

as far as too op... nope they are not, the snow biome is not meant to be a warm walk in the park just as the desert is not easy neither and we all know that the wastelands is a no no for the new under geared characters. these areas are designed to be harsh for a reason (time will tell).

so if you are in any area that is not part of the forest biome and not getting geared up.. you are treading out on thin ice on your own. enjoy and live long (if you can).
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I wish the big kitty spawn in the forest and desert 


That will show them Forest dwellers.  WASTELAND FOR LIFE!

warmer said:
Who thinks any one of us could actually take out a mountain in melee combat? I don't see many hands being raised.
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will enough Prayer, Armor, a Tier 3 melee weapon or even 2, and the most important





DRUGS AND EDIBLES  

 
Welcome to the forums. Being as how this topic is getting close to a year old and was dead for six months before you reignited it, I would think that the idea of the snow biome being a more difficult place would’ve sunk in by now. Don’t go there before you’re ready and the wildlife won’t be OP.  Ever since they limited Pumas to the snow and Dire wolves to night, I haven’t died to either one. 

Jonks said:
Just made this account for this, and honestly all of you defending this incredibly OP enemy is laughable. It shouldn’t be able to outrun you, it definitely shouldn’t be able to tank starter weapons, and it definitely shouldn’t kill in 3 bites. So yes, fix this enemy.
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I take it that some of y'all weren't around for the ninja z's we use to have. Insta spawning behind you and making no noise. 

 
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