STyK_
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it would even make sense, looks like a pimped out trenching shovel. He said they were going for a steam punk look. Also military gear is an end game goal and trenching shovel fits with that. I like it!
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Laz Man
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I think it would be so awesome if they did more models like what they did for the clubs (e.g. spiked/barb wire etc.) But for other weapon types. Soooo much more immersive.
Edit: The new wooden club with a barbed wire / chain / spikes mod on it looked so Fing badass!
Looks like something snowdog would use...
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Adam the Waster
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Jost Amman
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You're right. IMO removing nerd-poling won't resolve the issue.
You can still craft ladders and blocks to reach whatever roof you like, it just takes more time.
khzmusik
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FYI, they did answer this in the stream (or perhaps an earlier stream, can't remember offhand).
Their solutions did not affect nerd-poling. One was to add one-way doors; the other was to have a door that requires a key, which is hidden in some other (random) place in the POI. In either case, the idea is that you can't go immediately to the loot room (via nerd-poling or otherwise) and just grab the loot.
Both of these ideas are better than eliminating nerd-poling IMHO.
For one: even if you eliminate nerd-poling, you can still reach those rooms in other ways. For example, building "stair steps" - frames that are attached to the walls, not immediately above each other, but diagonally above the previous frame. Eliminating this would make building bases nigh impossible (e.g. you couldn't build stairs at all in-game).
For another: several POI designers (not just at TFP) deliberately hide loot in places that can only be accessed by nerd-poling, and all those POIs would basically break.
EDIT: Thinking about it, I really hope they add keys to the game. Think about all the cool crap that POI designers could do with that. It would not be long at all before some modder somewhere recreates the old Doom levels as POIs.
EDIT 2: Thinking about it even more - I really love the idea of Doom-style colored keys, and doors that could only be unlocked by using a key of that color.
This means you could have a whole bunch of POIs that have entire sections hidden behind keys of one color - and the key wouldn't even have to be associated with that specific POI.
Example: A difficult POI that has a "key helper" loot container that generates a key of a random color. For the sake of argument, let's say you get a green key card. You could unlock the "green" section of that POI. But you could also use that key on a different POI, to unlock the "green" section of that other POI.
If the "key helper" loot container was associated with game stage, it would mean the same POIs could be hidden behind game stage, such that you could fully explore any of these POIs only after you are at a certain game stage. It would make each POI repeatable, and give players a big reason to keep exploring the same POIs at later game stages.
It would be especially effective if you consume a key each time you open a door with a key. So if you get a green key, you have to make a choice about which POI you go to in order to unlock its "green" section. You made the wrong choice, you have to go loot another green key card.
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JCrook1028
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I'd say the exact opposite. taking the club shown as example. Why is there cloth wrapped around the club before any mods are added? Why would you make a melee weapon SOFT by adding cloth. It is absolutely counter productive to remove hardness from a blunt melee weapon. It's a tree branch for heaven's sake, it does not need cloth to hold it together. It makes me almost as crazy as their newest fad of wrapping some cloth loosely around the grip of almost every gun in the game. All that does is make for something to loosen up and not allow you to get a firm grip on the weapon, leading to inaccuracy. C'mon, we all know how fast that piece of leather tied on with a string would get loose and fall off, a magazine or two. We can forge metal and even make glue but we tie grips on our gun with a string? Urgh it just looks awful.I think it would be so awesome if they did more models like what they did for the clubs (e.g. spiked/barb wire etc.) But for other weapon types. Soooo much more immersive.
Edit: The new wooden club with a barbed wire / chain / spikes mod on it looked so Fing badass!
Looks like something snowdog would use...
GoldenFox
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and how is the game supposed to tell apart of you stack frames to fix a roof of your base or if you want to build something, or just want to reach for something that isn't looting?
if that bothers you so much you could easly edit or mod it, in my opinion changing the game mechanics because for some people is unrealistic or just too easy to loot isn't worth it. again if anyone is just so annoyed because of this could mod it, or change it on the xml or something. don't fix what isn't broken.
also with that reasoning, they should remove stairs, ladders, etc. because you can place them in order to climb buildings too
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STyK_
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I can't really speak to the cloth around the club. On the gun though I'm guessing the idea is grip tape, could definitely use a another model.
STyK_
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yet you can stack frames to no limit into the sky, put frames around the outside of your base for horde night to walk on to fight the horde and shoot though them with them taking no damage, block doors with them. TFP encourage us to go though the poi's the way they lay it out, if they took out 'the frame' that would pull the safety blanket for a lot of people.
There just needs to be a balance and I didn't put together what they had said on stream, I heard the having to punch to harvest but never put it together with not being able to pick up frames. I must have missed that part or stepped away. I'm going to watch it again.
Maybe higher poi's should have a perimeter around them you can't build on till you destroy 'its land claim block?' They were talking about the poi being changed so they show up on the maps when you enter them and say there tier, maybe those areas could have different rules. I refused to believe the game 'needs' 'the frame' in its current state.
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Adam the Waster
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Space4Ace
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Richard Huenink gave that answer in the first Twitch stream video.
My view on this is that I don't like nerd-poling so I don't do it; but keeping others from doing it might be wrong. We all have our special way to play the game.
Some guy I used to watch on YouTube would always avoid going through buildings the regular way since he just seemed unable to figure out where to go next... Well, I guess It's not for everyone.
Khalagar
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Almost all of these were addressed in the streams
1. They are wanting to make it so you need a key card that spawns on a random zombie inside the PoI to open the loot room. That will stop you from just nerd poling to the top
2. This has not been addressed but really shouldn't be removed. Vehicles get stuck, A LOT, and the only way to get them out is to just pick them up.
4. Food spoilage has been talked about 900 times, and the answer is "Maybe". Because every time it's mentioned a HUGE amount of people don't like the idea because it just makes the game tedious and not fun.
6. See point 1
7. "It's ready when it's ready" is their stance and it's the best stance. We don't want them to rush patches to put out low quality content that wasn't ready to meet an arbitrary deadline
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Space4Ace
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Yeah! Saw that one last night... Exciting stuff is coming!!! I use this one instead, I just find it easier: https://steamdb.info/app/251570/history/
Jost Amman
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Who cares? I want the best loot NOW and I'll build whatever I need to get there.
(I'm doing the devil's advocate here)
Jost Amman
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We're talking about some mechanism which stops you from using nerd-poling near POIs.
Nobody said it shouldn't work within your base perimeter.
No, it's on topic since the question asked was about new features for A19...
Gazz
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And that's why there has not been any ham-fisted "fix" like that.
We have some ideas on that but no all around awesome solution to All The Problems At Once. =P
khzmusik
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To beat a dead horse - your ideas are IMHO far superior to anything having to do with nerd-poling. Please focus on doing what you're already going to do.
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danielspoa
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Gazz my friend, what a good time to be answering questions 
Jost Amman
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I just literally said that this needn't apply inside your base perimeter.
Just place a bedroll or LCB and you can nerd-pole all you want inside that area.
Jost Amman
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Ok, I thought this was a serious discussion... *smh*Landclaim blocks and bedrolls are unrealistic; remove them from the game.
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